Flight archery training with Turkish overdraw ''siper''
Siper ile menzil atışı antrenmanı - Flight archery training with overdraw siper.
The siper (Turkish overdraw) is used to draw the flight arrow behind the grip which allows to shoot shorter and lighter arrows which travel further of course...
Typical flight arrows can weigh about 11, 12, 13 gram and can be e.g. 61, 62, 63 cm long. The grip is not held in the typical Turkish form, usually a cloth with wax is wrapped around the grip of the flight bow and the ''cengi bazi' grip is applied.
The difficulty is to hold the thumbring in the right angle and not to put too much pressure on the arrow with your index finger, because with the lightest pressure the arrow will come out of the siper and you will shoot the grip. So it is very dangerous. The real challenge is to do this with 120 + pound flight bows... What you see here is just training with a 45 lbs bow.
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Shooting with Siper in Turkish Archery
In Ottoman era sportive archery existed as early as 15th century. In the earliest capital cities Bursa and Edirne there were special archery fields called okmeydani. After the conquest of Constantinople in 1453 Sultan Mehmed II the Conqueror established an okmeydani for archers in the newly named city Istanbul. Flight archery has always been popular all the 623 years (1300-1923) in which the Empire survived. Bilek siperi or siper was an over-draw device that has been used by flight archers to draw shorter arrows beyond the bow grip. Here you can see how it is used.
Lars Andersen Turning Arrows Episode 2
Arrows fly directions can be changed in the air.
It is one of the funniest things to do in archery.
It's actually quite easy, all experienced archers should easily be able to learn this.
It can be done with ordinary arrows, but it is far easier to learn with an arrow where there is air resistance at the tip of the arrow.
Best with a set of extra feathers in front of the arrow
But arrows with big hunting tips also work (but it is harder)
You place the arrow on strings, not in the middle, but at least one hand width from the center.
One has to experiment finding the right distance from the center of the string.
When the arrow is shot, then the wrong centering causes pushing the back of the arrow to the one side, and then the air resistance causes the arrow to rotate back, this makes the arrow turn.
An arrow that comes back completely
The return arrow requires to be shot against the wind.
It is historically described that trick archery must be done with a light bow.
Any kind of turn arrows reduces speed the more the arrow turns the more loss of power.
It works well with powerful bows but again big turn loses power.
I think only it is possible to make dangerous shots with small turns.
With my 53 pound bow and small turn the arrow hit with a lot of power.
It is historically described to hit an enemy with a turning arrow, but not if it is deadly.
Can it have practical function in combat?
Impossible to know today, but a hypothetical example:
If a man is hiding behind an obstacle, for example. a tree and he is hit with a turn arrow so he may not be killed.
But then he will probably move and then he can next be killed with a straight arrow!
But the real reason for doing this today is that it is very fun.
Why shoot around real people in video?
Only when i had been doing it for a long time
and was 100% able to shoot around every time
I tried to shoot around real people.
And of course, first of all, we made many many tests without people but with the same setup and obstacles.
If it had exposed those who participated in any possible danger, I would of course not have done that.
The purpose of shooting around people was to show that this is completely controllable.
Criticism is good
But i remove hateful not funny comments.
I also remove negative and incorrect comments from
people who think themselves to be archery experts, but do not know history, physical laws etc..
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This is a fragment of my last video called Perfect arrow flight?. I made this separate video for those of you who don't care about Eastern style archery. I am shooting my horsebow Samick SKB 50@#60 pounds draw weight, with a long draw of about 30 (anchor with my thumb under my ear). I used to have a bad arrow flight but didn't know it. It was only when I saw the slow motion footage. I took many advices from all over the internet and I think it's a lot better now.
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DO I HIT EVERYHING?
I use a LOT of time practicing, and every time I set out to learn a new skill, a new trick or how to handle a new type of bow or arrow, it takes a long time, with plenty of misses. When I got the idea of grabbing an arrow in flight and firing before I landed, it took me months to learn. For a long time, arrows flew everywhere!
But there's no trick in the video that I haven't done many times (except for splitting the arrow in flight – after I'd done that once I finished the video). The one with hitting the blade I've only done three times, though. All that running hurt my knees. ;-)
THE BACK QUIVER
Hollywood of course did not invent the back quiver, but they spread the myth it was proper archery!
Many asked why I do not use a back quiver and that is why I am showing my own experience, how bad it is in motion.
There are many different historical variatoner of back quiver and they have of course been used, but presumably belt quiver was more common and some archers did not use quiver.
Past archers obvious used fixed targets, but not the modern round divided two dimensional.
ON MY BOWS AND POWER
Many people talk about how what I do is only possible because I use bows that are less powerful than English longbows. They are correct. I'm 50 years old, and have been doing archery for only ten years. I'll never be able to shoot really fast with 100 lbs+ war bows. I tried, but it just produced injuries. Had I started at age 10, it would have been a different story. ;-)
There is also a tendency from critics to assume that bows were always shoot against plate armour (as at Crecy in 1346 and Agincourt in 1415). This was very much the exception. Many opponents had little or no armour at all, and Stone Age findings show that many animals were taken down by multiple shots. Also, in 1923 Saxton T Pope examined a number of historical museum bows from around the world. His conclusion was that most only had a tensile strength of 45-50 pounds.
THE CHAINMAIL TEST
Around 04:22 I penetrate chainmail. The arrows had bodkin tips, and the chainmail is riveted. However, while the gambeson is thick, it's not as thick as some I've seen elsewhere. But one reason the arrows penetrate is that I sharpen not only the tip itself, but also the edges of the bodkin tip.
SHOOTING ON THE RIGHT SIDE
There are archery traditions alive today which shoot the arrow on the right side of the bow, as I do. However, the places where most people come into contact with archery (Hollywood, The Olympics, archery clubs) do it left around the bow.
THE THREE LEVELS OF ARROW HANDLING
It is obvious much more complicated, We can not know what the first archers did, some of the earliest pictures show arrows in the bow hand, but the arrow is much older than the bow so the quiver may be used and it is impossible entirely exclude that the first archer held his shafts in the draw hand.
In some parts of history is progress gone in the 3 levels, but other times the opposite has happened. Some archers are gone from arrows in the draw hand to the avancerde rapid fire quiver that was developed just before war archery disappeared.
Hit an incoming arrow!!
You don't have time to aim or think, but can only do it if your reactions are completely instinctive. First of all, you need to be convinced that you WILL hit it, so you can “feel” the incoming arrow and fire at it instead of just flinching away.
I was also in doubt whether it was smart to show this, because I don't want anyone to get hurt trying to copy the trick. I trained for years with soft boffer arrows and spent a LONG time before I tried it even the first time. And the arrow shoot at me was not shoot with a very powerful bow, though it was definitely dangerous enough!
I didn't think it was possible to split an arrow!
It was a light bamboo arrow with a metal tip, and the arrow I shot back was a heavier aluminum arrow. That the arrow split was just pure luck, and I'm not certain I could repeat it without first training for a long time. I believe it split because it hit just behind the head and made the shafts fluctuate against each other, causing the bamboo shaft to split lengthwise.
I hope to try it again using a proper high-speed camera!
Thank you for watching my videos and for reading.
I will remove rude and dumb comments.
I will also remove dumb “archery experts” comments.
- Lars Andersen, January 2015
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